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 From : Alex Sherbakov                      2:5040/6        Wed 20 Nov 96 13:52 
 Subj : Snow tires                                                              

 * Forwarded from "TOYOTA.MODS"
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated Monday November 18 1996, 16:16

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X-RealName: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E4ikk=F6nen_Timo?=

Hei! (Finnish version of high;)

Finnish Car Magazine (tekniikan Maailma=3D~Technik World) tested winter
tyres in their 2.10.1996 magazine. They did the test with cooperation of
two=20
other magazines - Swedish Car Magazine "Auto, Motor & Sport" and
Norweigien "Motor-magazine".

Winter tyres are also often tested in Northern Finland by the tyre
manufacturers them self!

In the test was winter tyres with spikes and tyres without (like new
model
of Bridgestone Plizzak - last years winner of tyres without spikes)...

My own opinion on winter tyres is that I wan't a quit tyre! Nokia has
very
good if not the best winter tyres but they are or were like driving on
gears  -
they rattled and made this scraping noise exspecially Nokia NR 09.
NR 10 is a lot quiteter and NR 1 (the new one) is even more quieter!
Gislaved is very famous and popular in Taxi-drivers cars, so it must
be good! I also had once Gislaved and it was quiet but I also lost all
the spikes rapidly (even if driving carefully)!? I also has experience
on
Goodyear on my Ford Escort 1.6 diesel. They were not bad either and
quite silent. So all three first tyres are a good choice! I think I go
for the
new Nokia Hakkapeliitta 1, becouse Gislaved loses it's spikes!!!

I don't have any experience on winter tyres without spikes, but had
heard
that they are good in city driving etc. if there is no ice on the road -
they
really loose their grip on ice!!!

Tyres in the test with spikes:
Dunlop SP Artic M3 (Japan but made in Finland)
Gislaved Nord Frost II (Swedish)
Goodyear Ultra Grip 400 (Great-Britain)
Michelin XM+S 260 (Great-Britain)
Nokia Hakkapeliitta 1 (Finnish)
(by the way "Hakkapelitta" was a famous and brave finnish soldier riding
with
a horse in the Russian 30-year war back in 1800's ;)

Tyres in the test without tyres (made in?):
Bridgestone Blizzak MZ-01 (Japan)
Goodyear Ultra Grip 5 (German)
Michelin XM+S100 Maxi-Glase 2 (Japan)
Nokia Hakkapeliitta NRW T (Finnish)

The tyre they used in the test was 186/65 R14 (I had last winter
175/65-14 Nokia
Hakkapeliitta 10 tyres in my FWD Corolla FX-Gti-16 (AE-92) and maybe try
out=20
185/65-14 this year)

I don't go deep to the details in the test, but will inform you about
the basics...

Here are the results with spikes - grades and some comments:
1. Gislaved Frost - 9.0 (last year '95 winner too)
GOOD:
 - Traction on winter conditions
 - Driveability
BAD:
 - Tyre and spike noise
 - Spikes wont stay on the tyre (some spikes lost during test - no such
problem
with other tyres!!!!
2. Nokia Hakkapeliitta 1 - 8.5
GOOD:
 - Axial traction on ICE
 - Driveability and traction on "wet snow =3Dsnow that is almost water"
BAD:
 - Braking on snow
3. Goodyear Ultra Grip 5 - 8.1
GOOD:
 - Take off on snow and ice
 - Driveability on snow and ice
BAD:
 - Sideways traction on ice
 - Lock braking on snow
4. Dunlop SP Artic M3 - 7.4
GOOD:
 - Braking grip on ice
 - stable steering on ice road
BAD:
 - Sideways traction
 - Driveability and traction on "wet snow =3Dsnow that is almost water"
5. Michelin XM+S 260
GOOD:
 - Take off on ice
BAD:
 - Sideways traction
 - Very loud noise!

and here are the results without spikes:
1. Bridgestone Blizzak MZ-01
GOOD:
 - Sideways traction
 - Very quiet on asfalt
BAD:
 - Driveability and traction on "wet snow =3Dsnow that is almost water"
 - Driveability on ice
2. Nokia Hakkapeliitta NRW T
GOOD:
 - stable steering on ice road
 - Quiet
BAD:
 - Driveability and traction on "wet snow =3Dsnow that is almost water"
 - Axial traction on ice
3. Michelin XM+S 100 Maxi-Glace 2
GOOD:
 - Sideways traction on ice
 - ABS braking on snow
BAD:
 - Driveability on snow
 - Axial traction on ice
4. Goodyear Ultra Grip 5
GOOD:
 - Noisy on bare asfalt
 - Driveability and traction on "wet snow =3Dsnow that is almost water"
BAD:
 - Traction on ice and snow
 - Driveability on snow

Here is the matrix of results:
1=3DDunlop, 2=3DGislaved, 3=3DGoodyear UG400, 4=3DMichelin, 5=3DNokia 1,
6=3DBridgestone, 7=3DGoodyear UG5, 8=3DMichelin, 9=3DNokia NRW+

1_2_3_4_5_6_7_8_9

ICE (points weighted 40%):
Lockbraking on clear ice:
10_8_8_8_10_7_4_5_5
Accelarating on clear ice
9_10_10_9_10_7_5_5_5
Driving circle on rough ice:
6_8_6_5_8_6_4_7_8
Test track:
5_10_8_5_8_6_4_7_8
SNOW (points weighted 20%):
ABS braking on snow:
7_10_10_7_8_8_6_10_8
Lock braking on snow:
8_9_6_6_6_10_6_8_6
Accelarating on snow:
7_9_10_8_8_9_6_8_8
Test track:
8_10_9_8_9_8_6_8_8
WET SNOW (points weighted 10%):
7_8_8_8_9_6_8_7_6
DRIVEABILITY (points weighted 30%):
Test track on ice:
8_10_9_7_9_7_6_7_8
Test track on snow:
7_10_8_6_9_7_5_5_8
Driving stability (=3Dgoing straight):
9_9_7_7_8_9_7_8_10
Noise:
4_4_6_4_5_10_9_8_10

TOTAL OVERALL POINTS/GRADES:
7.4_9.0_8.1_6.8_8.5_7.7_5.9_7.2_7.4

I hope this information was helpfull and interesting ;)

Zorry, my bad graphics here, but what can u do...

 -Timo-
turbo FWD Corolla
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From: Bill Lawton
Subject: Snow tires
Date:  11. 11. 1996 22:50

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Hey guys/gals,
It is jsut about time to put snow tires on my `88, do any of you people
who
drive their Mr2's year round preffer one type of tire to another.  I
have
norrowed it down to Nokian, Bridgestone, Yokahamas.  Is there any of you
out
there that have done any side by side testing?  I have been quoted
prices
from
$380 for the Yoks to 520 for the Nokian.  Are the Nokians that much
better?
These prices include steel rims, balancing, and shipping.  Any help
would be
great!!
Thanks,
Bill
B.T.W.
I live in S.W. OHio so I get lots of wet shit, and ice.
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Hi All,

FYI

Cheers.  Alex

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